Tories surge to majority territory and what it means

With the notable exception of Nanos polling, most polls show if an election were held today, the Conservatives led by Pierre Poilievre would win most seats hands down and probably cross the majority mark. This is much better for them than I thought possible so question is whether this is a blip or a long term trend. I believe it is far too early to say.

Reason I believe this is happening is a combination of factors. First and foremost is high cost of living and many feel government is asleep at the switch here. Also I think Trudeau’s arrogance and general feeling government has lost touch with much of the public is another big reason. At same time Poilievre for all his flaws is a very effective opposition leader and no doubt that is paying off to some degree. Although I believe unhappiness with Liberal government is more reason than people wanting Poilievre to be prime-minister. The core 30% who always vote Conservative are quite excited about him, but Tories always had those all along. It was more would it be enthusiastic support like we see under Poilievre or more reluctant like under O’Toole. As for swing voters, I think most have decided Liberals have overstayed their welcome but their opinions on Conservatives are still quite soft and a lot will depend on events in next two years to determine whether Conservatives solidify this, they return back to Liberals, or decide to just stay home and not vote all due dislike of all options. Despite bad poll numbers, I don’t by any means believe this is a done deal and while Liberals may be on ropes, they still can win next election.

Conservatives are in a good place now and a majority would allow them to do many things they want as well as some controversial things which would not be possible with a minority. Also a majority ends any speculation that Liberals and NDP will gang up to keep Tories out. However, there have been multiple cases of parties further behind coming back and winning. Below are five examples showing it is possible but also each had something the current government lacks.

  1. In 1987, polls showed NDP with narrow lead and Liberals close second while PCs in a distant third. A year later the PCs came back with a second majority. Big reason for this was 1988 election was a single issue election, free trade. Finding a single issue to make election about and getting it work for Liberals will be no easy task but sure it is possible.
  2. In 1992 when Don Getty stepped down as premier, PCs were in third at 15% and it looked like Liberals were going to win next Alberta election. Under Ralph Klein party came back and not only won next election but would go on to win four back to back elections. This off course involved leadership change.
  3. In 2012, BC Liberals were trailing by 20 points and most of us including myself more or less accepted NDP was going to win 2013 election. But to surprise of many, BC Liberals came back and won. That happened for three reasons as for starters polls were wrong so likely NDP lead was probably closer to 10 points, not 20. Also much of low numbers was due to unhappiness with HST and Gordon Campbell and both no longer applicable in 2013 election. Finally BC Conservatives were in double digits and as such combined right wing vote was only about 5 points behind NDP. BC Conservatives crashed and burned and most went BC Liberal. In theory if federal NDP fell to 5%, Trudeau could win, but considering how established federal NDP is, that seems unlikely.
  4. Ontario Liberals in 2012 were in third when Dalton McGuinty resigned with NDP having narrowing lead and PCs in close second. After party choose Wynne and moved left much of NDP vote who had left OLP returned allowing Liberals to win a majority in 2014. Off course eventually their luck ran out when lost 2018 election badly.
  5. UCP in 2021 was 15 points behind and many including myself were almost certain Notley was going to win 2023 election. This involved changing leader, but also if you added UCP + WIP, the right was only 2-3 points behind NDP and undecided vote which was at 20% was overwhelmingly former UCP voters. WIP rising was due to dissatisfaction of covid so as covid became less of an issue and economy rebounded this helped UCP and WIP imploded. Likewise undecided vote ultimately came home for most part which is not uncommon. Unfortunately I have little data on how big undecided is and how they voted in 2021. If large and mostly former Liberals, the party may still have a decent shot.

So yes Liberals can come back, but not easy. Best way would be to change leaders and get someone like Anand, Champagne, or Carney. I think there is a fatigue with Trudeau so a more centrist, competent and boring would probably win back many centrist who have moved to Tories or undecided. Other solution is go bold to drive NDP down and also make election a polarizing one along class lines like Glen Clark did in 1996 here in BC. I do not support such policies and would probably not end well, but if advising Liberals (I really hope they don’t follow my advice), I would advise following to trip up Tories. Both offer more programs and higher taxes on rich and when Tories oppose, claim Tories are party of rich, Liberals ordinary people as right now Tories seen for ordinary people as wanting to deal with cost of living crisis and Liberals more affluent who are less impacted by cost of living.

  1. On program side go for full universal dental care and pharmacare with private payment completely eliminated and both brought under Canada Health Act. Also promise to make post secondary education free over next five years.
  2. To pay for this, institute following wealth taxes of 1% over $10 million, 2% over $20 million, 3% over 50 million, 5% over $100 million while make net worth over a billion illegal and anything above that confiscated by government. For those who try to move abroad to avoid wealth tax, hit them with a 50% exit tax on net worth. Also for earnings, add a bracket of 36% for over 500K and 40% over 1 million.

First one costly and would limit choice while much cheaper to target those most in need. Latter would be economically disastrous and hurt Canada long term but most being not good on economics wouldn’t see this and impossible to explain in 10 second sound bytes. Probably would though cost Liberals big time in 2029 but would squeeze out another term and more than anything pull Canada economically decidedly to left. Instead would be easy campaign of Trudeau on your side, Poilievre on side of wealthy. Those who studied economics like myself would be horrified, but those without would likely support this which is most Canadians. Sure it could backfire, but I am of view tall poppy syndrome runs strong in Canada and this would play well. Heck could go even bolder by creating a government run telecommunications company, government run airline, government run grocery store. Sure would probably be worse service than current ones, but considering how much Canadians love to hate such companies also probably a vote winner. And it wouldn’t be a monopoly so people would still have choice of sticking with current private options. Still changing leaders is probably the safer option if Liberals wish to recover. Other is work night and day on housing and cost of living issue and hope that resolves itself before next election. Could even maybe reverse a few things as people like politicians who show humility so pausing carbon tax increases and scaling back immigration would both be signs government is listening and trying to ease things. But Trudeau doesn’t strike me as type who is willing to admit he is wrong and change course. Also Liberals if serious should go big on attack ads. Rule of thumb in politics is define yourself or be defined by your opponent. So far Poilievre has defined himself while Dion & Ignatieff crashed and burned as Tories defined them before they could define themselves. And if lack money, promise sweetheart deals for public sector unions in exchange for them bombing airwaves with negative third party ads like Working Families Coalition did in Ontario in past.

Many claim election is 2 years away, but I actually think it will be in Fall of 2024. NDP won’t pull plug as for starters cannot afford a campaign and also NDP is about creating a more left wing Canada and they know baby steps Liberals have made would all be undone if Tories win so they have every desire to ensure Tories do not win. Reason I think Liberals go then as it would be at same time as US election so could compare Tories to GOP who are bound to propose lots of crazy off the wall stuff that will scare most Canadians. In 2025, that will only work if Trump wins White House, which I wouldn’t bank on whereas in Fall of 2024 works regardless of who wins White House.

So no doubt at this point Tories are favourites to win next election and Poilievre has done better than I predicted. But as for reasons explained above, I don’t think next election is a done deal yet. Off course just as Liberals could recover, they could just as easily also fall to third place too so things can go either way. I do however believe that Canada still remains firmly a centre-left country and while people upset at state of things, there is no large scale desire for major rightward shift, even if in some areas (not all or even most it may be needed). Sure some may think Trudeau has pushed things a little too far left, but I actually don’t believe he is that far off median Canadian voter. As I have explained elsewhere, I believe Canada today is one of the most left wing countries in developed world so while Trudeau couldn’t win in US or most Asian countries and would struggle or lose in most European, Canada is both more economically and socially to left than most due to both demographics and our values. Still 30% are solidly right wing and around 10% close to middle and open to conservative ideas thus why Conservatives can win whereas if left united I believe Conservative wins would be far and few.

5 thoughts on “Tories surge to majority territory and what it means

  1. So my comment is short and not sweet – I agree that Liberals should take note of #2 above and change their leader if they hope any chance of winning next round. I don’t know much about Champagne but either Anand or Carney would be more than palatable for me compared to 4 years of PP….. god help us all

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    1. Changing leaders I think is best. The more radical left wing I think would work for one election but at huge cost to economy long term so may help from short term political standpoint but not good for country.

      I am no fan of Poilievre although I do hope like Harper and Ford more bluster and pandering to base but not actually that radical. And I do think if he goes too far be it social conservatism, right wing populism or even just plain up Thatcher-Reagan economic policies he will get booted after one term and party will be out of office for a very long time. Still some things like promise to defund CBC, reverse gun bans are policies I hope no matter outcome never see light of day. Carbon tax scrapping okay with as long as find some reasonable alternative. We need to take climate change seriously but I think if want to get public buy in, need to ensure not too hard on people’s wallets, especially lower and middle income.

      If he can fix housing crisis, I will give him a lot of credit, but like most I am very skeptical as no easy solution and due to constitutional divisions of power not sure he can even if wanted to.

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  2. Looking at newest polls, here are my thoughts:

    1) The CPC have an enormous lead, but only some of it has come from the LPC. Other parts of it have come from the NDP, PPC and non-voters. That suggests that the Liberals haven’t fallen *as much* as many in the media have proclaimed, but that it has also been rough times for the NDP and they are likely to lose seats, or at most, gain a few urban seats on lost Liberal votes. However, I think the seat counts are overzealous for the CPC, underestimated for the LPC and also overestimated for the NDP, for the following reasons:

    2) In rural Canada, pretty much from coast to coast outside of Quebec, the CPC are likely to absolutely run up the numbers. Of course, they will put up Putin-like numbers in the Prairies, but even in rural Ontario, I see them going over 60% in a large number of ridings. The LPC (and NDP) can forget about those areas, they aren’t even going to be competitive.

    3) Atlantic Canada’s big changes, from what I can tell, are just a case of them falling in line with the rest of the country (and Western world). Rural Liberals are likely heading for strong defeats there except perhaps in Francophone New Brunswick, and if they are lucky, Kings-Hants. However, the urban ridings are likely holding up well and I’m guessing the net result is around -10 for the LPC, with the CPC taking all of them. I think all four Halifax seats, both St. John’s seats, Charlottetown and Moncton all stay Liberal, while Fredericton and Saint John are tossup (the former has rural areas, the latter is more working class). Cape Breton, being more working class, I think has both seats flipping.

    4) In the GTA, I honestly think the Liberals are holding up quite well and that is why I think the LPC should at least hold on to about 100 to 125 seats with the current numbers. They could come close to sweeping it again, as the demographics throughout, for the most part, do not line up with where the Conservatives have gained. That keeps them with a solid base of support, and fear of Poilievre should draw NDP voters into the fold too.

    5) In Quebec, it looks like pretty close to status quo, although I think the Conservatives could gain a few seats primarily from Bas-Saint-Laurent to Centre-du-Quebec, as well as the seats around Quebec City they don’t have now. However, that only adds up to about 16 seats even on their best poll numbers since they are likely running it up in the Quebec City region. Pontiac is the only reach seat elsewhere, but they would need to win big outside Gatineau to pull it into their fold. The Liberals are likely holding on to everything they have in Montreal (which is everything), while the Bloc should win the rest.

    6) I think the NDP will take a serious hit in both Ontario and BC, as they are likely to lose seats in the Interior, in the North Island and North Coast, in Northern Ontario and in the Windsor area – all to the Conservatives. That is a big reason why I think Jagmeet Singh is in as much trouble as Justin Trudeau is now. However, while those could move the CPC into the lead, they won’t alone get them to a majority. Greater Vancouver is harder to gauge, since there hasn’t been sub-regional polling in BC, and I suspect the Liberals are holding up better there despite terrible numbers province-wide.

    My current prediction:

    CPC 155-170 (39-43%), LPC 100-125 (27-31%), NDP 10-20 (12-17%), BQ 27-35 (7-9%), GPC 1-2 (3-5%), PPC 0 (1-3%), others 0 (<1%)

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    1. I think that is largely true. I think Tories in 905 would win outgrowing ones like Newmarket-Aurora, Burlington, Whitby, but not closer ones like Mississauga or Brampton and the former only narrowly so could easily flip back with attack ads. I live in Lower Mainland and no way Tories win Vancouver Centre or even Vancouver-Quadra. Maybe some suburbs due to splits however. Biggest reason Tories could win majority however is many dissatisfied progressives stay home but I think attack ads which are only online and just starting will help prevent

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    2. I think largely accurate although in GTA I think 905 would split with Tories narrowly taking outerlying ones like Burlington, Newmarket-Aurora, and Whitby bur losing by narrower margin in Mississauga and Brampton types. Former in US, Biden largely won but Trump still got over 40% and in Canada unlike US that is all Tories need. Former akin to DuPage County, Illinois or Chester County, Pennsylvania, while latter more like Union County, New Jersey. I think Tories could gain some Lower Mainland suburbs due to vote splits as NDP stronger than GTA but no way are they winning seats like Vancouver-Quadra or Vancouver Centre. Only way they get 200+ seats is if many unhappy progressives stay home and I think attack ads which have only started will prevent this

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